[Hamara-devel] Fonts packaged with Hamara

Wed Oct 21 17:35:35 BST 2015

Hamara Sugam would be the place to get this right. The default list of 
fonts shipped with debian can be improved on.

There also seems to be duplication - with some fonts that look very 
similar to each other (do we really need to ship fonts that are really 
close to each other?)

Once you have a list of fonts to include, let's get a bug raised and 
start pulling them in!

On 21/10/15 16:32, Sam Sayer wrote:
> My point here is compatibility - in an ideal world, no-one would use 
> Word and the awful fonts it installs - perhaps it is the OS fallbacks 
> that may be the issue here?
>
> Do we need to specify if not Arial, then Liberation Sans? If not 
> Verdana, then DejaVu Sans? They are closest alternatives in each case. 
> I can offer FOSS alternatives for the major ‘web-safe’ font groups.
>
> So as in web development, we always set as ‘Helvetica’, Arial, 
> Sans-serif which dictates the order of fallback, and in the case of 
> Linux / Hamara - what is the ‘default’ sans-serif font?
>
> After a bit of further reading, it looks like the MS fonts are out of 
> the picture anyway! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web
>
> I hope Comic Sans is eventually deleted from existence, on a side note...
>
> In a commercial sense, compatibility is important - a brand has it’s 
> chosen typefaces, and I almost always use Google Fonts now for their 
> wide compatibility.
>
> The Ubuntu font is quite widely used now, indeed it is available 
> through Google Fonts service. I used it in some branding once, come to 
> think of it!
>
> What I would love to see, is fonts being embedded in such documents, 
> in the same fashion that they are in PDFs. Cross-platform font 
> compatibility is one of the banes of a designers life, which PDF 
> partly solved many years back.
>
>
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>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 16:16, shirish <shirish at hamaralinux.org 
>> <mailto:shirish at hamaralinux.org>> wrote:
>>
>> at bottom :-
>>
>> On Wednesday 21 October 2015 08:33 PM, Sam Sayer wrote:
>>> I am wondering if we can include some more fonts in forthcoming 
>>> Hamara releases. I do notice quite a difference in what the OS 
>>> chooses as a replacement for common fonts such as Arial - it is 
>>> replaced by a serif font - a big typography faux pas! (to be honest 
>>> it’s mainly font geeks like me who get bothered!).
>>>
>>> This is more apparent when setting fall-back fonts for web / html 
>>> email, and also sharing of Libre Offie documents between different 
>>> OS - it has quite disastrous results at times.
>>>
>>> After a bit of digging it looks like Arial, Tahoma etc (the 
>>> traditional ‘web safe’ fonts):
>>>
>>> (http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core 
>>> <http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core>)
>>>
>>>> A font like tahoma can be found in the wine fonts package. There's 
>>>> also a package called ttf-ms-fonts which includes some the fonts 
>>>> you mentioned and can be legally installed. See for example this 
>>>> information for arch linux 
>>>> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts>.
>>>>
>>>> Includes:
>>>>
>>>> Andalé Mono
>>>> Arial
>>>> Arial Black
>>>> Comic Sans
>>>> Courier New
>>>> Georgia
>>>> Impact
>>>> Lucida Sans
>>>> Lucida Console
>>>> Microsoft Sans Serif
>>>> Times New Roman
>>>> Trebuchet
>>>> Verdana
>>>> Webdings
>>>> Wingdings
>>>
>>> See also: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts 
>>> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts>
>>>
>>> So - that would be a good start.
>>>
>>> Another consideration is bundling some of the Google Fonts in, which 
>>> mostly have an SIL Open Font License.
>>> I have started to see a lot of people using Google Fonts in 
>>> documents now.
>>>
>>> Namely:
>>>
>>> Lato
>>> Cabin
>>> Source Sans Pro
>>> Source Code Pro
>>> Open Sans
>>> Droid Sans
>>> Drois Serif
>>> PT Sans
>>> PT Serif
>>> EB Garamond
>>> Exo
>>> Martel
>>> Martel Sans
>>> Merriweather
>>> Merriweather Sans
>>> Michroma
>>> Quicksand
>>> Raleway
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sam Sayer
>>> Creative Director
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>>
>> Dear Sam,
>>
>> I do not think we need to worry about fonts that much as Debian has 
>> quite a bit. The last count I had was somewhere around 400 font 
>> packages that Debian has.
>>
>> What probably would be an issue would be how good the typeface is and 
>> things like that. I have added list of all fonts which are available 
>> in Debian.
>>
>> See also https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts as well as 
>> http://fonts.debian.net/ and 
>> https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html to 
>> have a preview of all the fonts and how they look or can look.
>>
>> Also, as rightly pointed out that Google has also done quite a few 
>> fonts which have SIL copyleft license which can be packaged as well.
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing
>>
>> Lastly, Ubuntu also made an alternative some years back, the license 
>> was ambiguous the last time I saw it.
>>
>> http://font.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> It is an alternative to MS-fonts as well.
>>
>> Hope the above helps :)
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Shirish Agarwal,
>> Community Lead,
>> Hamaralinux.org
>> <fonts-font-utilities-terminal-fonts-all-available-under-debian.txt>
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