[Hamara-devel] Fonts packaged with Hamara
Sam Sayer
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Wed Oct 21 18:20:13 BST 2015
Great - will do
Sam Sayer
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> On 21 Oct 2015, at 17:35, Vikas Tara <vik at hamaralinux.org> wrote:
>
> Hamara Sugam would be the place to get this right. The default list of fonts shipped with debian can be improved on.
>
> There also seems to be duplication - with some fonts that look very similar to each other (do we really need to ship fonts that are really close to each other?)
>
> Once you have a list of fonts to include, let's get a bug raised and start pulling them in!
>
>
> On 21/10/15 16:32, Sam Sayer wrote:
>> My point here is compatibility - in an ideal world, no-one would use Word and the awful fonts it installs - perhaps it is the OS fallbacks that may be the issue here?
>>
>> Do we need to specify if not Arial, then Liberation Sans? If not Verdana, then DejaVu Sans? They are closest alternatives in each case. I can offer FOSS alternatives for the major ‘web-safe’ font groups.
>>
>> So as in web development, we always set as ‘Helvetica’, Arial, Sans-serif which dictates the order of fallback, and in the case of Linux / Hamara - what is the ‘default’ sans-serif font?
>>
>> After a bit of further reading, it looks like the MS fonts are out of the picture anyway! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web>
>>
>> I hope Comic Sans is eventually deleted from existence, on a side note...
>>
>> In a commercial sense, compatibility is important - a brand has it’s chosen typefaces, and I almost always use Google Fonts now for their wide compatibility.
>>
>> The Ubuntu font is quite widely used now, indeed it is available through Google Fonts service. I used it in some branding once, come to think of it!
>>
>> What I would love to see, is fonts being embedded in such documents, in the same fashion that they are in PDFs. Cross-platform font compatibility is one of the banes of a designers life, which PDF partly solved many years back.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam Sayer
>> Creative Director
>> DeType Ltd <http://www.detype.com/>
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>> Skype: SamasUK <skype:SamasUK>
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>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 16:16, shirish <shirish at hamaralinux.org <mailto:shirish at hamaralinux.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> at bottom :-
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 21 October 2015 08:33 PM, Sam Sayer wrote:
>>>> I am wondering if we can include some more fonts in forthcoming Hamara releases. I do notice quite a difference in what the OS chooses as a replacement for common fonts such as Arial - it is replaced by a serif font - a big typography faux pas! (to be honest it’s mainly font geeks like me who get bothered!).
>>>>
>>>> This is more apparent when setting fall-back fonts for web / html email, and also sharing of Libre Offie documents between different OS - it has quite disastrous results at times.
>>>>
>>>> After a bit of digging it looks like Arial, Tahoma etc (the traditional ‘web safe’ fonts):
>>>>
>>>> (http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core <http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core><http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core <http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core>>)
>>>>
>>>>> A font like tahoma can be found in the wine fonts package. There's also a package called ttf-ms-fonts which includes some the fonts you mentioned and can be legally installed. See for example this information for arch linux <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts>>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Includes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Andalé Mono
>>>>> Arial
>>>>> Arial Black
>>>>> Comic Sans
>>>>> Courier New
>>>>> Georgia
>>>>> Impact
>>>>> Lucida Sans
>>>>> Lucida Console
>>>>> Microsoft Sans Serif
>>>>> Times New Roman
>>>>> Trebuchet
>>>>> Verdana
>>>>> Webdings
>>>>> Wingdings
>>>>
>>>> See also: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts> <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts>>
>>>>
>>>> So - that would be a good start.
>>>>
>>>> Another consideration is bundling some of the Google Fonts in, which mostly have an SIL Open Font License.
>>>> I have started to see a lot of people using Google Fonts in documents now.
>>>>
>>>> Namely:
>>>>
>>>> Lato
>>>> Cabin
>>>> Source Sans Pro
>>>> Source Code Pro
>>>> Open Sans
>>>> Droid Sans
>>>> Drois Serif
>>>> PT Sans
>>>> PT Serif
>>>> EB Garamond
>>>> Exo
>>>> Martel
>>>> Martel Sans
>>>> Merriweather
>>>> Merriweather Sans
>>>> Michroma
>>>> Quicksand
>>>> Raleway
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sam Sayer
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> DeType Ltd <http://www.detype.com/ <http://www.detype.com/>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Dear Sam,
>>>
>>> I do not think we need to worry about fonts that much as Debian has quite a bit. The last count I had was somewhere around 400 font packages that Debian has.
>>>
>>> What probably would be an issue would be how good the typeface is and things like that. I have added list of all fonts which are available in Debian.
>>>
>>> See also https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts <https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts> as well as http://fonts.debian.net/ <http://fonts.debian.net/> and https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html <https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html> to have a preview of all the fonts and how they look or can look.
>>>
>>> Also, as rightly pointed out that Google has also done quite a few fonts which have SIL copyleft license which can be packaged as well.
>>>
>>> https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing <https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing>
>>>
>>> Lastly, Ubuntu also made an alternative some years back, the license was ambiguous the last time I saw it.
>>>
>>> http://font.ubuntu.com/ <http://font.ubuntu.com/>
>>>
>>> It is an alternative to MS-fonts as well.
>>>
>>> Hope the above helps :)
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Shirish Agarwal,
>>> Community Lead,
>>> Hamaralinux.org
>>> <fonts-font-utilities-terminal-fonts-all-available-under-debian.txt>
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