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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/20/2015 07:46 PM, Vikas Tara
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<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org" type="cite">Hi,
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Hi, <br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org" type="cite">Having
just reinstalled my media centre to hamara 1.0.1, I needed to
install the latest XBMC.
<br>
<br>
We're currently shipping quite an old version - whereas I had
previously been using the ubuntu XBMC ppa.</blockquote>
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Which version of xbmc are you shipping ? <br>
<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org" type="cite">
<br>
<br>
Now, editing apt sources to allow the use of that same ppa for me
is straightforward - but it did open up some questions:
<br>
<br>
1. Should we customise apt-add-respoitory so that you can add
ubuntu ppa's directly with that command?
<br>
<br>
2. Should we mirror ppa's?
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On Ubuntu-end it's all upto you. <br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org" type="cite">
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3. Should we support ppa's at all (Debian don't seem to)?
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Umm.. dunno, but debian has a non-free external repo. called
deb-multimedia which works for the XBMC scenario. <br>
<br>
see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://deb-multimedia.org/">http://deb-multimedia.org/</a><br>
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you just need to add to your debian /etc/apt/sources.list the
stanza as shared by deb-multimedia, download the deb-multimedia
keyring and you can have the latest and the greatest kodi (name
change from xbmc)<br>
<br>
This is the version in debian atm :-<br>
<br>
[$] apt-cache policy
xbmc
<br>
xbmc:<br>
Installed: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4<br>
Candidate: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4<br>
Version table:<br>
*** 2:13.2+dfsg1-4 0<br>
600 <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/">http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/</a> jessie/main amd64
Packages<br>
1 <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/">http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/</a> unstable/main amd64
Packages<br>
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As can be seen it is installed on my system. <br>
<br>
The upstream version is something like 14.2 so there is a vast gap
there for sure. I have asked the same but am a bit doubtful if they
will do something or be able to do something. See
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bugs.debian.org/783037">http://bugs.debian.org/783037</a><br>
<br>
Previously the app. had an embedded ffmpeg library while Debian has
libav. While ffmpeg has again come into the mainline repo. now
still some issues might be remaining. If the maintainer gets time I
hope to get a reply soonish :)<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org" type="cite">
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Interested in other people's views.
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<br>
I personally like the flexibility of supporting ppa's - it gives
our user base access to newer packages and greater freedom of
choice.
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There are lots and lots of third-party apt repositories for Debian
as well. What we should probably look for both in medium-term as
well as long-term to make those packages stay in Debian's repo. so
all and any headaches with package stability becomes theirs and the
delta remains small. <br>
<br>
I know of many sites which have debian repos, putting that together
would be a manmoth task though. Just to share, here's one of cairo
:-<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cairo-compmgr.tuxfamily.org/download/debian-packages/">http://cairo-compmgr.tuxfamily.org/download/debian-packages/</a><br>
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You can also find a few mentioned at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories">https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories</a> but that listing is
far from complete and doubt it will ever be as such links need lot
of maintenance . Once we find few, we would have to get their e-mail
addresses, put up a script which crawls through all repositories and
see which are working or not and if after few days they don't
respond for one reason or other drop those from our web-pages. <br>
<br>
The other part is how to support these third-party sources or
repositories because at times things will and do go wrong. Do we
become a sort of gate-keeper of these repositories or just share the
links and say it's your luck if they work or not. <br>
<br>
What happens as and when conflicts happen. Debian follows shared
library transitions which these third-party repos. will not so
conflicts are bound to happen.<br>
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See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://release.debian.org/transitions/">https://release.debian.org/transitions/</a> <br>
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The only solution would be to constantly monitor the third-party
repos. the package itself, Debian Library transitions <br>
<br>
While this is possible for say 100-200 packages with some difficulty
it would probably be close to impossible if we have those many
third-party APTs. being constantly monitored on top of things we
already want to do. <br>
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BTW this might also be interesting to you. I will start dumping the
links on the wiki, just have no idea how to make it
easy/comfortable for developers who would want these resources. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA">https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA</a><br>
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Side note :- While researching for the above, I came across
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eldy.eu/">http://www.eldy.eu/</a> it isn't for our target group for education but
for elderly people as well as kids might be a good UI. Dunno why
this hasn't been packaged yet :(<br>
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Till later. <br>
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Regards
<br>
<br>
Vik
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Shirish Agarwal,
Community Lead,
Hamaralinux.org</pre>
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