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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/04/15 00:50, shirish wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/20/2015 07:46 PM, Vikas Tara
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org"
type="cite">Hi, <br>
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Hi, <br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org"
type="cite">Having just reinstalled my media centre to hamara
1.0.1, I needed to install the latest XBMC. <br>
<br>
We're currently shipping quite an old version - whereas I had
previously been using the ubuntu XBMC ppa.</blockquote>
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Which version of xbmc are you shipping ? <br>
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2:12.3+dfsg1-3ubuntu1<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:553590C4.7090306@hamaralinux.org" type="cite">
<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org"
type="cite"> <br>
<br>
Now, editing apt sources to allow the use of that same ppa for
me is straightforward - but it did open up some questions: <br>
<br>
1. Should we customise apt-add-respoitory so that you can add
ubuntu ppa's directly with that command? <br>
<br>
2. Should we mirror ppa's? <br>
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On Ubuntu-end it's all upto you. <br>
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I favour (1)<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org"
type="cite"> <br>
3. Should we support ppa's at all (Debian don't seem to)? <br>
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Umm.. dunno, but debian has a non-free external repo. called
deb-multimedia which works for the XBMC scenario. <br>
<br>
see <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://deb-multimedia.org/">http://deb-multimedia.org/</a><br>
<br>
you just need to add to your debian /etc/apt/sources.list the
stanza as shared by deb-multimedia, download the deb-multimedia
keyring and you can have the latest and the greatest kodi (name
change from xbmc)<br>
<br>
This is the version in debian atm :-<br>
<br>
[$] apt-cache policy
xbmc
<br>
xbmc:<br>
Installed: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4<br>
Candidate: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4<br>
Version table:<br>
*** 2:13.2+dfsg1-4 0<br>
600 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/">http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/</a>
jessie/main amd64 Packages<br>
1 <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/">http://httpredir.debian.org//debian/</a>
unstable/main amd64 Packages<br>
<br>
As can be seen it is installed on my system. <br>
<br>
The upstream version is something like 14.2 so there is a vast gap
there for sure. I have asked the same but am a bit doubtful if
they will do something or be able to do something. See <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://bugs.debian.org/783037">http://bugs.debian.org/783037</a><br>
<br>
Previously the app. had an embedded ffmpeg library while Debian
has libav. While ffmpeg has again come into the mainline repo.
now still some issues might be remaining. If the maintainer gets
time I hope to get a reply soonish :)<br>
<br>
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That's still a very old version so from a multimedia perspective
would push me towards a +1 for supporting PPA's<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:55350A47.8080004@hamaralinux.org"
type="cite"> <br>
Interested in other people's views. <br>
<br>
I personally like the flexibility of supporting ppa's - it gives
our user base access to newer packages and greater freedom of
choice. <br>
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There are lots and lots of third-party apt repositories for Debian
as well. What we should probably look for both in medium-term as
well as long-term to make those packages stay in Debian's repo. so
all and any headaches with package stability becomes theirs and
the delta remains small. <br>
<br>
I know of many sites which have debian repos, putting that
together would be a manmoth task though. Just to share, here's one
of cairo :-<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://cairo-compmgr.tuxfamily.org/download/debian-packages/">http://cairo-compmgr.tuxfamily.org/download/debian-packages/</a><br>
<br>
You can also find a few mentioned at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories">https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories</a>
but that listing is far from complete and doubt it will ever be as
such links need lot of maintenance . Once we find few, we would
have to get their e-mail addresses, put up a script which crawls
through all repositories and see which are working or not and if
after few days they don't respond for one reason or other drop
those from our web-pages. <br>
<br>
The other part is how to support these third-party sources or
repositories because at times things will and do go wrong. Do we
become a sort of gate-keeper of these repositories or just share
the links and say it's your luck if they work or not. <br>
<br>
What happens as and when conflicts happen. Debian follows shared
library transitions which these third-party repos. will not so
conflicts are bound to happen.<br>
<br>
See <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://release.debian.org/transitions/">https://release.debian.org/transitions/</a>
<br>
<br>
The only solution would be to constantly monitor the third-party
repos. the package itself, Debian Library transitions <br>
<br>
While this is possible for say 100-200 packages with some
difficulty it would probably be close to impossible if we have
those many third-party APTs. being constantly monitored on top of
things we already want to do. <br>
<br>
BTW this might also be interesting to you. I will start dumping
the links on the wiki, just have no idea how to make it
easy/comfortable for developers who would want these resources. <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA">https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA</a></blockquote>
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I like the idea of flexibility for the user - so supporting PPA even
in a debian base would make sense to me - but for that to work we
would need to maintain some compatibility with Ubuntu in terms of
package versions.<br>
<br>
Lot's of third party repo's is not really that helpful for us if we
want to make the journey easy for the user. Would have to look a bit
closer at the state of those repos.<br>
<br>
Once we have a debain base to play with, we can start exploring this
a bit further.<br>
<br>
For hamara 1.x however, I propose making the changes to
apt-add-respoitory<br>
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