<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">My point here is compatibility - in an ideal world, no-one would use Word and the awful fonts it installs - perhaps it is the OS fallbacks that may be the issue here?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do we need to specify if not Arial, then Liberation Sans? If not Verdana, then DejaVu Sans? They are closest alternatives in each case. I can offer FOSS alternatives for the major ‘web-safe’ font groups.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So as in web development, we always set as ‘Helvetica’, Arial, Sans-serif which dictates the order of fallback, and in the case of Linux / Hamara - what is the ‘default’ sans-serif font?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">After a bit of further reading, it looks like the MS fonts are out of the picture anyway! <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope Comic Sans is eventually deleted from existence, on a side note...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In a commercial sense, compatibility is important - a brand has it’s chosen typefaces, and I almost always use Google Fonts now for their wide compatibility.</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The Ubuntu font is quite widely used now, indeed it is available through Google Fonts service. I used it in some branding once, come to think of it!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What I would love to see, is fonts being embedded in such documents, in the same fashion that they are in PDFs. Cross-platform font compatibility is one of the banes of a designers life, which PDF partly solved many years back.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 Oct 2015, at 16:16, shirish <<a href="mailto:shirish@hamaralinux.org" class="">shirish@hamaralinux.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">at bottom :-<br class=""><br class="">On Wednesday 21 October 2015 08:33 PM, Sam Sayer wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I am wondering if we can include some more fonts in forthcoming Hamara releases. I do notice quite a difference in what the OS chooses as a replacement for common fonts such as Arial - it is replaced by a serif font - a big typography faux pas! (to be honest it’s mainly font geeks like me who get bothered!).<br class=""><br class="">This is more apparent when setting fall-back fonts for web / html email, and also sharing of Libre Offie documents between different OS - it has quite disastrous results at times.<br class=""><br class="">After a bit of digging it looks like Arial, Tahoma etc (the traditional ‘web safe’ fonts):<br class=""><br class="">(<a href="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core" class="">http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core</a> <<a href="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core" class="">http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core</a>>)<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">A font like tahoma can be found in the wine fonts package. There's also a package called ttf-ms-fonts which includes some the fonts you mentioned and can be legally installed. See for example this information for arch linux <<a href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts" class="">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts</a>>.<br class=""><br class="">Includes:<br class=""><br class="">Andalé Mono<br class="">Arial<br class="">Arial Black<br class="">Comic Sans<br class="">Courier New<br class="">Georgia<br class="">Impact<br class="">Lucida Sans<br class="">Lucida Console<br class="">Microsoft Sans Serif<br class="">Times New Roman<br class="">Trebuchet<br class="">Verdana<br class="">Webdings<br class="">Wingdings<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">See also: <a href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts" class="">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts</a> <<a href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts" class="">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts</a>><br class=""><br class="">So - that would be a good start.<br class=""><br class="">Another consideration is bundling some of the Google Fonts in, which mostly have an SIL Open Font License.<br class="">I have started to see a lot of people using Google Fonts in documents now.<br class=""><br class="">Namely:<br class=""><br class="">Lato<br class="">Cabin<br class="">Source Sans Pro<br class="">Source Code Pro<br class="">Open Sans<br class="">Droid Sans<br class="">Drois Serif<br class="">PT Sans<br class="">PT Serif<br class="">EB Garamond<br class="">Exo<br class="">Martel<br class="">Martel Sans<br class="">Merriweather<br class="">Merriweather Sans<br class="">Michroma<br class="">Quicksand<br class="">Raleway<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">Sam Sayer<br class="">Creative Director<br class="">DeType Ltd <<a href="http://www.detype.com/" class="">http://www.detype.com/</a>><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">Skype: SamasUK <<a href="skype:SamasUK" class="">skype:SamasUK</a>><br class="">Mobile: 07545 803087 <tel:07545803087><br class=""><a href="http://detype.com" class="">detype.com</a> <<a href="http://www.detype.com/" class="">http://www.detype.com/</a>><br class=""><br class=""> <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><br class="">8 Ise Road<br class="">Kettering, Northants <tel:07545803087><br class="">NN15 7DX <tel:07545803087><br class=""> <<a href="http://www.detype.com/" class="">http://www.detype.com/</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> <<a href="http://www.detype.com/" class="">http://www.detype.com/</a>><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span> <<a href="http://www.detype.com/" class="">http://www.detype.com/</a>><br class=""><br class=""> <<a href="http://www.detype.com/" class="">http://www.detype.com/</a>><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Dear Sam,<br class=""><br class="">I do not think we need to worry about fonts that much as Debian has quite a bit. The last count I had was somewhere around 400 font packages that Debian has.<br class=""><br class="">What probably would be an issue would be how good the typeface is and things like that. I have added list of all fonts which are available in Debian.<br class=""><br class="">See also <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts" class="">https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts</a> as well as <a href="http://fonts.debian.net/" class="">http://fonts.debian.net/</a> and <a href="https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html" class="">https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html</a> to have a preview of all the fonts and how they look or can look.<br class=""><br class="">Also, as rightly pointed out that Google has also done quite a few fonts which have SIL copyleft license which can be packaged as well.<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing" class="">https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing</a><br class=""><br class="">Lastly, Ubuntu also made an alternative some years back, the license was ambiguous the last time I saw it.<br class=""><br class="">http://font.ubuntu.com/<br class=""><br class="">It is an alternative to MS-fonts as well.<br class=""><br class="">Hope the above helps :)<br class="">-- <br class="">Regards,<br class="">Shirish Agarwal,<br class="">Community Lead,<br class="">Hamaralinux.org<br class=""><span id="cid:3317AB00-E0E5-4D08-AE25-3BEC10A3CC84"><fonts-font-utilities-terminal-fonts-all-available-under-debian.txt></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>