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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hamara Sugam would be the place to get
this right. The default list of fonts shipped with debian can be
improved on.<br>
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There also seems to be duplication - with some fonts that look
very similar to each other (do we really need to ship fonts that
are really close to each other?)<br>
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Once you have a list of fonts to include, let's get a bug raised
and start pulling them in!<br>
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On 21/10/15 16:32, Sam Sayer wrote:<br>
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My point here is compatibility - in an ideal world, no-one would
use Word and the awful fonts it installs - perhaps it is the OS
fallbacks that may be the issue here?
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<div class="">Do we need to specify if not Arial, then Liberation
Sans? If not Verdana, then DejaVu Sans? They are closest
alternatives in each case. I can offer FOSS alternatives for the
major ‘web-safe’ font groups.</div>
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<div class="">So as in web development, we always set as
‘Helvetica’, Arial, Sans-serif which dictates the order of
fallback, and in the case of Linux / Hamara - what is the
‘default’ sans-serif font?</div>
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<div class="">After a bit of further reading, it looks like the MS
fonts are out of the picture anyway! <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web"
class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web</a></div>
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<div class="">I hope Comic Sans is eventually deleted from
existence, on a side note...</div>
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<div class="">In a commercial sense, compatibility is important -
a brand has it’s chosen typefaces, and I almost always use
Google Fonts now for their wide compatibility.</div>
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<div class="">The Ubuntu font is quite widely used now, indeed
it is available through Google Fonts service. I used it in
some branding once, come to think of it!</div>
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<div class="">What I would love to see, is fonts being embedded
in such documents, in the same fashion that they are in PDFs.
Cross-platform font compatibility is one of the banes of a
designers life, which PDF partly solved many years back.</div>
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<div class="">On 21 Oct 2015, at 16:16, shirish <<a
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href="mailto:shirish@hamaralinux.org" class="">shirish@hamaralinux.org</a>>
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<div class="">at bottom :-<br class="">
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On Wednesday 21 October 2015 08:33 PM, Sam Sayer wrote:<br
class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">I am wondering if we
can include some more fonts in forthcoming Hamara
releases. I do notice quite a difference in what the
OS chooses as a replacement for common fonts such as
Arial - it is replaced by a serif font - a big
typography faux pas! (to be honest it’s mainly font
geeks like me who get bothered!).<br class="">
<br class="">
This is more apparent when setting fall-back fonts for
web / html email, and also sharing of Libre Offie
documents between different OS - it has quite
disastrous results at times.<br class="">
<br class="">
After a bit of digging it looks like Arial, Tahoma etc
(the traditional ‘web safe’ fonts):<br class="">
<br class="">
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core"
class="">http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core"
class="">http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83113/can-microsoft-fonts-be-bought-and-included-in-the-linux-core</a>>)<br
class="">
<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">A font like tahoma
can be found in the wine fonts package. There's also
a package called ttf-ms-fonts which includes some
the fonts you mentioned and can be legally
installed. See for example this information for arch
linux <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts"
class="">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_Fonts</a>>.<br
class="">
<br class="">
Includes:<br class="">
<br class="">
Andalé Mono<br class="">
Arial<br class="">
Arial Black<br class="">
Comic Sans<br class="">
Courier New<br class="">
Georgia<br class="">
Impact<br class="">
Lucida Sans<br class="">
Lucida Console<br class="">
Microsoft Sans Serif<br class="">
Times New Roman<br class="">
Trebuchet<br class="">
Verdana<br class="">
Webdings<br class="">
Wingdings<br class="">
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<br class="">
See also: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts"
class="">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts"
class="">https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_fonts</a>><br
class="">
<br class="">
So - that would be a good start.<br class="">
<br class="">
Another consideration is bundling some of the Google
Fonts in, which mostly have an SIL Open Font License.<br
class="">
I have started to see a lot of people using Google
Fonts in documents now.<br class="">
<br class="">
Namely:<br class="">
<br class="">
Lato<br class="">
Cabin<br class="">
Source Sans Pro<br class="">
Source Code Pro<br class="">
Open Sans<br class="">
Droid Sans<br class="">
Drois Serif<br class="">
PT Sans<br class="">
PT Serif<br class="">
EB Garamond<br class="">
Exo<br class="">
Martel<br class="">
Martel Sans<br class="">
Merriweather<br class="">
Merriweather Sans<br class="">
Michroma<br class="">
Quicksand<br class="">
Raleway<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
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Dear Sam,<br class="">
<br class="">
I do not think we need to worry about fonts that much as
Debian has quite a bit. The last count I had was
somewhere around 400 font packages that Debian has.<br
class="">
<br class="">
What probably would be an issue would be how good the
typeface is and things like that. I have added list of
all fonts which are available in Debian.<br class="">
<br class="">
See also <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts" class="">https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts</a>
as well as <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://fonts.debian.net/" class="">http://fonts.debian.net/</a>
and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html"
class="">https://pkg-fonts.alioth.debian.org/review/debian-font-review.html</a>
to have a preview of all the fonts and how they look or
can look.<br class="">
<br class="">
Also, as rightly pointed out that Google has also done
quite a few fonts which have SIL copyleft license which
can be packaged as well.<br class="">
<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing" class="">https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/Missing</a><br
class="">
<br class="">
Lastly, Ubuntu also made an alternative some years back,
the license was ambiguous the last time I saw it.<br
class="">
<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://font.ubuntu.com/">http://font.ubuntu.com/</a><br class="">
<br class="">
It is an alternative to MS-fonts as well.<br class="">
<br class="">
Hope the above helps :)<br class="">
-- <br class="">
Regards,<br class="">
Shirish Agarwal,<br class="">
Community Lead,<br class="">
Hamaralinux.org<br class="">
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